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<DIV>I read about it, and my conclusion is that videos would complicate the
whole thing, indeed.</DIV>
<DIV>But I must confess that I was lured by Siddhesh’s idea to use audio
examples instead of videos: if we have the right sentences and voice
performances, they could sustain the emotional part of the speech pretty good!
Would this alternative be easier to implement?</DIV>
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<DIV>Horia</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jazeix@gmail.com
href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com">Johnny Jazeix</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 04 October, 2016 18:31</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=horricane@gmail.com
href="mailto:horricane@gmail.com">Horia PELLE</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=siddhesh.it@gmail.com
href="mailto:siddhesh.it@gmail.com">Siddhesh Suthar</A> ; <A
title=gcompris-devel@kde.org
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<DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>I'm not really sure it will be easier to handle (on the
programming side). The problem using external libraries is that we have to make
sure they have a good license and that they work on the maximum of platforms we
use.<BR></DIV>Also, it would mean that we need to ship the good codecs for each
platform.<BR><BR></DIV>It seems we can play videos with Qt: <A
href="http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtmultimedia-multimedia-video-qmlvideo-example.html">http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtmultimedia-multimedia-video-qmlvideo-example.html</A>
(it can play web urls) but I don't see if we can change the audio
stream.<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2016-10-04 10:24 GMT+02:00 Horia PELLE <SPAN
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<DIV>I got a new idea how to approach it: since videos are usually container
files that may contain multiple streams, if we had the video stream, the audio
parts could be embedded into the container. This way, everybody would see the
the same video, but hear the desired audio stream. Since YouTube has options
for multiple audio streams, I guess there are other (free) video players that
can do the same.</DIV>
<DIV>There would be plenty of free videos to choose from, the only concern
would be to have good audio recordings.</DIV>
<DIV>If we’ll ever implement this idea, I volunteer to do the
processing/editing/mixing/<WBR>producing. If...</DIV>
<DIV>If not, then the idea of audio-only examples looks like a good
implementation, too! We could create simple sentences about the displayed
images, combining as many words from the list as possible (i.e. “The girl has
blond hair and a nice dress”). How about that?</DIV>
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<DIV>Have a nice day and thank you for your feedback!</DIV>
<DIV>Horia</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=siddhesh.it@gmail.com
href="mailto:siddhesh.it@gmail.com" target=_blank>Siddhesh Suthar</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 04 October, 2016 8:59</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=horricane@gmail.com href="mailto:horricane@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Horia PELLE</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jazeix@gmail.com href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com"
target=_blank>JAZEIX Johnny</A> ; <A title=gcompris-devel@kde.org
href="mailto:gcompris-devel@kde.org" target=_blank>gcompris-devel@kde.org</A>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hello,<BR><BR>The idea of adding value for real life
communication is nice. But seems like It is not feasible because of
limitations mentioned by Johnny, Emmanuel and Bruno. <BR><BR>I will like to
suggest that instead of adding a video, we can add an example sentence
containing that word. It will server the purpose of relating it to real life
conversation. However this will need a lot of resources in terms of composing
or finding such sentences and translating them. Still I think It can be done.
<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Siddhesh<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Horia PELLE <SPAN
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<DIV>I see. The idea would be then much more difficult to implement, yet
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<DIV>The way I see it moving forward to life is „fishing” for volunteers
involved in working with children: preschool teachers, psychology students
working with children, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>Is it OK to try to contact and persuade a few american organizations to
produce some sample video clips?</DIV>
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<DIV>Maybe we can wait to have the Windows version fully working to ask for
feedbacks (and switch completely/officially to the Qt version?). Anyway, if you
know people that would be interested by testing and providing feedbacks, don't
hesitate :).<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=jazeix@gmail.com href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com"
target=_blank>JAZEIX Johnny</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 03 October, 2016 10:08</DIV>
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10/02/16 18:00, Horia PELLE wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>In my opinion, the programming effort wouldn’t be huge: it would only
suppose an extra button/control to open an existing clip or not. This
extra button could be set to have a boolean behavior, i.e., to appear or
not, depending if the clip exists (is defined) or not. The children would
certainly love any extra information presented in a video clip, and the
retention of that word would certainly be
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<DIV>Selecting/trimming 564 clips in national languages of the countries
that don’t have a developed film industry – yes – that would certainly be
a difficult task. However, I believe that the users from these countries
would be more interested in the english-french-german-spanish lang
activities than in their mother tongue lang activity. Besides, if the
implementation would be “boolean”, there won’t be any frustration: a clip
either exists and then there is an extra button, or it doesn’t exist, in
which case there isn’t any extra button.</DIV>
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<DIV>About the age pool you have mentioned, it depends very much of the
parent and the kid: some would prefer animations, others (like my son)
would go for the Hollywood celebrities’ acting. This is why it would be
very useful to give the user the possibility to customize the
clip.</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>For me, we shouldn't let the user
choose which clip it should look at. There was a discussion about allowing
external links in GCompris a few times ago (<A
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and following ones). We could think of doing like we do for the voices,
download an external dataset containing all the videos.<BR>Doing like this,
we won't have any issue with the potential disappearing links and we can
embed free licensed videos (the main issue being to find/create
them).<BR>For the programming effort, I don't know if Qt provides a media
player (there is phonon or QtMultimedia but I don't know if it is enough)
and if there is a format that could be played everywhere without codecs or
if the format will depend on the OS (like for audio).<BR>
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<DIV>I am not informed about copyrights, but I know that a videoclip
wouldn’t exceed more than 30 seconds, so couldn’t it be possible to just
obtain the copyright for free, eventually mentioning in a watermark the
title, the year and the owning company? I mean come on, there is a good
chance that some of these movies would be bought in the future by some of
the users, isn’t it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A solution would be to not use
existing part of movies but finding/creating ones with the good license.
But, if we go this way, I'm not sure we'll have enough people to provide us
the necessary resources.<BR><BR>
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but the issues are more with the lack of resources and with the licenses as
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=echarruau@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, 02 October, 2016 15:32</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=horricane@gmail.com
href="mailto:horricane@gmail.com" target=_blank>Horia PELLE</A> ; <A
title=gcompris-devel@kde.org href="mailto:gcompris-devel@kde.org"
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<DIV> </DIV></DIV>Is this not a too huge task? <BR>GCompris is
translated in many languages, I doubt that this idea if implemented in
english will be maintained in an other language.<BR></DIV>Then we have to
think that this is for children from 2 to 10, we would have to find the
words in kids animation movies mostly, which norrows the source of
vocables.<BR></DIV>Then there is this copyright problem. If we solve it
with links, who would do the tests to see if the links are still
relevant?<BR></DIV>This is a really huge quantity of situation to solve
for only one activity :( and we have little ressources :(<BR></DIV>But
this is just my opinion :)<BR><BR></DIV>Emmanuel<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2016-10-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Horia PELLE <SPAN
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<DIV>I have a proposition for the lang activity. Although this activity
is complex, very instructive and useful for vocabulary and writing
purposes, I think it misses the liveliness of normal/everyday human
language. The reason for this inert/still feature is the “atomization”
of language in 564 small basic words. They can be learnt individually,
but in this case they will only remain 564 pieces of a puzzle, with
little value in real life communication. In my opinion, all these 564
small blocks of language would exponentially increase their learning
value if they could be individually exemplified with everyday human
speech.</DIV>
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<DIV>My idea is to place a button/link near each word image, and when it
is clicked, it would open a popup window with an external video clip in
which one (or more) persons say a phrase containing that word. Ideally,
that phrase should be a clip from a good movie, so that pronunciation
and emotion could reach maximum levels.</DIV>
<DIV>In this way, the kids would learn two things: (1) to use all those
564 small pieces of language in real verbal communication and (2) the
emotional intelligence of human speech, which is a big lack in most
computer-assisted learning programs.</DIV>
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<DIV>I began to test short video clips a long time ago, on my little
boy, and they all proved very successful (he easily remembers them, and
he likes to recite/interprete these clips very often). I provided here
four examples, for the words <A href="https://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg"
target=_blank>coin</A> (<A href="http://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg"
target=_blank>youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg</A>), <A
href="https://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI" target=_blank>cute</A> (<A
href="http://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI"
target=_blank>youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI</A>), <A
href="https://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8" target=_blank>dog</A> (<A
href="http://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8"
target=_blank>youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8</A>) and <A
href="https://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY" target=_blank>huge</A> (<A
href="http://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY"
target=_blank>youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY</A>) → please take a look at them.
Maybe they aren't the best examples or format, but you can feel the
fluent everyday language and the broad spectrum of human emotions + body
language of these short clips.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Of course, the copyrights would certainly raise serious concerns,
but if this problem could not be solved by GCompris team, then it could
be easily overcome by the individual user. What I mean is that GCompris
could provide by default a link of a clip without copyright problems,
but the user could be given permission to customize the link and place
his/her own link, with the preferred video clip.</DIV>
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<DIV>What do you think?</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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