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<DIV>I got a new idea how to approach it: since videos are usually container
files that may contain multiple streams, if we had the video stream, the audio
parts could be embedded into the container. This way, everybody would see the
the same video, but hear the desired audio stream. Since YouTube has options for
multiple audio streams, I guess there are other (free) video players that can do
the same.</DIV>
<DIV>There would be plenty of free videos to choose from, the only concern would
be to have good audio recordings.</DIV>
<DIV>If we’ll ever implement this idea, I volunteer to do the
processing/editing/mixing/producing. If...</DIV>
<DIV>If not, then the idea of audio-only examples looks like a good
implementation, too! We could create simple sentences about the displayed
images, combining as many words from the list as possible (i.e. “The girl has
blond hair and a nice dress”). How about that?</DIV>
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<DIV>Have a nice day and thank you for your feedback!</DIV>
<DIV>Horia</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=siddhesh.it@gmail.com
href="mailto:siddhesh.it@gmail.com">Siddhesh Suthar</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 04 October, 2016 8:59</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=horricane@gmail.com
href="mailto:horricane@gmail.com">Horia PELLE</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jazeix@gmail.com href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com">JAZEIX
Johnny</A> ; <A title=gcompris-devel@kde.org
href="mailto:gcompris-devel@kde.org">gcompris-devel@kde.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: lang activity proposition</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hello,<BR><BR>The idea of adding value for real life communication
is nice. But seems like It is not feasible because of limitations mentioned by
Johnny, Emmanuel and Bruno. <BR><BR>I will like to suggest that instead of
adding a video, we can add an example sentence containing that word. It will
server the purpose of relating it to real life conversation. However this will
need a lot of resources in terms of composing or finding such sentences and
translating them. Still I think It can be done.
<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Siddhesh<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Horia PELLE <SPAN
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<DIV>I see. The idea would be then much more difficult to implement, yet still
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<DIV>The way I see it moving forward to life is „fishing” for volunteers
involved in working with children: preschool teachers, psychology students
working with children, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>Is it OK to try to contact and persuade a few american organizations to
produce some sample video clips?</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=jazeix@gmail.com href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com"
target=_blank>JAZEIX Johnny</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 03 October, 2016 10:08</DIV>
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<DIV class=m_-6569966720935956680moz-cite-prefix>Hi,<BR><BR>On 10/02/16 18:00,
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<DIV>In my opinion, the programming effort wouldn’t be huge: it would only
suppose an extra button/control to open an existing clip or not. This extra
button could be set to have a boolean behavior, i.e., to appear or not,
depending if the clip exists (is defined) or not. The children would
certainly love any extra information presented in a video clip, and the
retention of that word would certainly be
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<DIV>Selecting/trimming 564 clips in national languages of the countries
that don’t have a developed film industry – yes – that would certainly be a
difficult task. However, I believe that the users from these countries would
be more interested in the english-french-german-spanish lang activities than
in their mother tongue lang activity. Besides, if the implementation would
be “boolean”, there won’t be any frustration: a clip either exists and then
there is an extra button, or it doesn’t exist, in which case there isn’t any
extra button.</DIV>
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<DIV>About the age pool you have mentioned, it depends very much of the
parent and the kid: some would prefer animations, others (like my son) would
go for the Hollywood celebrities’ acting. This is why it would be very
useful to give the user the possibility to customize the
clip.</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>For me, we shouldn't let the user
choose which clip it should look at. There was a discussion about allowing
external links in GCompris a few times ago (<A
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and following ones). We could think of doing like we do for the voices,
download an external dataset containing all the videos.<BR>Doing like this, we
won't have any issue with the potential disappearing links and we can embed
free licensed videos (the main issue being to find/create them).<BR>For the
programming effort, I don't know if Qt provides a media player (there is
phonon or QtMultimedia but I don't know if it is enough) and if there is a
format that could be played everywhere without codecs or if the format will
depend on the OS (like for audio).<BR>
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<DIV>I am not informed about copyrights, but I know that a videoclip
wouldn’t exceed more than 30 seconds, so couldn’t it be possible to just
obtain the copyright for free, eventually mentioning in a watermark the
title, the year and the owning company? I mean come on, there is a good
chance that some of these movies would be bought in the future by some of
the users, isn’t it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A solution would be to not use
existing part of movies but finding/creating ones with the good license. But,
if we go this way, I'm not sure we'll have enough people to provide us the
necessary resources.<BR><BR>
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the issues are more with the lack of resources and with the licenses as said
by Emmanuel and Bruno.<BR><BR>Johnny<BR>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=echarruau@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, 02 October, 2016 15:32</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=horricane@gmail.com
href="mailto:horricane@gmail.com" target=_blank>Horia PELLE</A> ; <A
title=gcompris-devel@kde.org href="mailto:gcompris-devel@kde.org"
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<DIV> </DIV></DIV>Is this not a too huge task? <BR>GCompris is
translated in many languages, I doubt that this idea if implemented in
english will be maintained in an other language.<BR></DIV>Then we have to
think that this is for children from 2 to 10, we would have to find the
words in kids animation movies mostly, which norrows the source of
vocables.<BR></DIV>Then there is this copyright problem. If we solve it with
links, who would do the tests to see if the links are still
relevant?<BR></DIV>This is a really huge quantity of situation to solve for
only one activity :( and we have little ressources :(<BR></DIV>But this is
just my opinion :)<BR><BR></DIV>Emmanuel<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2016-10-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Horia PELLE <SPAN
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<DIV>I have a proposition for the lang activity. Although this activity is
complex, very instructive and useful for vocabulary and writing purposes,
I think it misses the liveliness of normal/everyday human language. The
reason for this inert/still feature is the “atomization” of language in
564 small basic words. They can be learnt individually, but in this case
they will only remain 564 pieces of a puzzle, with little value in real
life communication. In my opinion, all these 564 small blocks of language
would exponentially increase their learning value if they could be
individually exemplified with everyday human speech.</DIV>
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<DIV>My idea is to place a button/link near each word image, and when it
is clicked, it would open a popup window with an external video clip in
which one (or more) persons say a phrase containing that word. Ideally,
that phrase should be a clip from a good movie, so that pronunciation and
emotion could reach maximum levels.</DIV>
<DIV>In this way, the kids would learn two things: (1) to use all those
564 small pieces of language in real verbal communication and (2) the
emotional intelligence of human speech, which is a big lack in most
computer-assisted learning programs.</DIV>
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<DIV>I began to test short video clips a long time ago, on my little boy,
and they all proved very successful (he easily remembers them, and he
likes to recite/interprete these clips very often). I provided here four
examples, for the words <A href="https://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg"
target=_blank>coin</A> (<A href="http://youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg"
target=_blank>youtu.be/fYJA26EjPEg</A>), <A
href="https://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI" target=_blank>cute</A> (<A
href="http://youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI"
target=_blank>youtu.be/CCOSZxD7gtI</A>), <A
href="https://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8" target=_blank>dog</A> (<A
href="http://youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8" target=_blank>youtu.be/4PjHe2xPwa8</A>)
and <A href="https://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY" target=_blank>huge</A> (<A
href="http://youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY" target=_blank>youtu.be/bfV3oGZozkY</A>)
→ please take a look at them. Maybe they aren't the best examples or
format, but you can feel the fluent everyday language and the broad
spectrum of human emotions + body language of these short clips.</DIV>
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<DIV>Of course, the copyrights would certainly raise serious concerns, but
if this problem could not be solved by GCompris team, then it could be
easily overcome by the individual user. What I mean is that GCompris could
provide by default a link of a clip without copyright problems, but the
user could be given permission to customize the link and place his/her own
link, with the preferred video clip.</DIV>
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