<div dir="auto">Hi,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my customized version (i.e., before deployment) I always set the wallet system to off in the global configuration. One if the reason is that the name "wallet" confused users. They would think it as online payment tools.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Besides, I also turned off and removed *all* the kdepim packages in my iso. I tried KMail again (which would ask you to turn on the wallet system) and got very bad experiences. That's another topic and let's not discuss it here.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I cc'ed to enterprise mailing list and we can discuss this in both lists if appropriate.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Franklin<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">-- <br>Sent from my phone</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017年8月2日 02:43，"Brian Cluff" <<a href="mailto:brian@snaptek.com">brian@snaptek.com</a>>寫道：<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for pointing me to that mailing list. I wasn't aware of it's existence. I knew this probably wasn't the right place to post my problem and suggested answer, but I knew you were a friendly bunch (Scarlett Clark attends my local LUG) of people and could point in me the right direction.<br>
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As for my 10s of thousands of machines statement. I used to be Tech Director for a large school district in Arizona (28 campuses when I left) and we would put an image of latest version of Kubuntu on all the machines twice a year as long as we didn't see any major blockages in the particular version (like there was with the initial switch to KDE4... we waited a year till version 4.3 was released :)<br>
It was wonderful only having to have a single image that would work on every single machine that we would install it on. It sure beat the "bad old days" when we had to have a windows image for every single kinds of machine... In the end it just meant the windows machines never got reinstalled if we could help it and were constantly infested with viruses and malware that the kids were purposefully install to get out have having to do their work... I was a very hostile environment.<br>
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Anyway, I'm hoping that I can get something done about the wallet's initial setup. I found that it wasn't a huge problem for people at first, but their misunderstanding of what the wallet was and it almost always getting miss-configured for their needs would annoy them over the long term. It's the kind of problem that doesn't get reported but you see people yelling at their computer when they get a password prompt that they don't think they should be getting while you are on site.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Brian Cluff<br>
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On 08/01/2017 10:49 AM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote:<br>
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I'm interested that you say you have installed Kubuntu on tens of<br>
thousands of machines. If so, perhaps the KDE list for people who run<br>
large deployments would be the most suitable place to post:<br>
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<a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/enterprise</a><br>
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KDE is very interested in getting large deployments as pain-free as<br>
possible. We in Kubuntu can be helpful at the packaging level, but not<br>
directly in software development or fixing bugs at that level.<br>
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All the best,<br>
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Valorie<br>
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Brian Cluff <<a href="mailto:brian@snaptek.com" target="_blank">brian@snaptek.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I'm sure this isn't the most correct place to post this, but perhaps it<br>
could make it's way to the correct person.<br>
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I've put Kubuntu on 10s of thousands of machines over the years and a very<br>
common problem that I run into is with the KDE wallet system. I meant to<br>
write in with this suggestion years ago, but it got out of site, out of<br>
mind. However I just did a little tech support for someone that was very<br>
very angry about the situation, so I thought I should finally say something<br>
(better late than never).<br>
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So the problem is that when you first login it tells you set a password for<br>
the wallet, but it doesn't really give you any of the implications of<br>
setting that password so it then becomes a giant annoyance to those that<br>
don't care about protecting their passwords and just want their system to<br>
leave them alone.<br>
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So my thoughts are that without changing the wallet system itself perhaps a<br>
different initial setup could be created that briefly tells you what the<br>
wallet does and then asks you to pick from 3 levels of security for the<br>
wallet such as:<br>
<br>
Low security: Just store my passwords in the wallet without a password<br>
Medium security: Set a password for your web passwords but keep the local<br>
passwords without a password so your wifi "just works"<br>
High security: Set a password for all passwords in the wallet<br>
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Only the second and third option would prompt for a password.<br>
I suppose you could have a 4th option to not use the wallet at all, but I<br>
wouldn't recommend that to anyone.<br>
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I believe that simple change would keep people not only more educated about<br>
what the wallet is, but will make them happier with KDE in the long run...<br>
(and keep people from yelling at me in the future <grin>)<br>
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Thanks for reading my rant,<br>
Brian Cluff<br>
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