<div>isn't that more of a DT issue first - some sort of stack branching, a la revision control including a preview per branch? Or export, for that matter ;)</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 at 09:40, Juan Jose Casafranca <<a href="mailto:jjcasmar@gmail.com">jjcasmar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg">Thats a way of doing things. I usually do different editions and I dont export any of them at least I need to send them somewhere. Thats why I need to see the different views for the different xmps :-)</div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">El 8 ene. 2017 2:35, "HaJo Schatz" <<a href="mailto:hajo@hajo.net" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">hajo@hajo.net</a>> escribió:<br type="attribution" class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg">I usually do a "base development" of each RAW. then export this. Then I have some pre-set styles I might apply, e.g. a specific B/W style. That goes on top of my base development. I'd like to have JPEGs exported at both steps and grouped properly, then my world would be fine :)</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 at 09:30, Juan Jose Casafranca <<a href="mailto:jjcasmar@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">jjcasmar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">I don't know about grouping. Each time I have tried to use DK as my management software I quit because I can't update the thumbnails... <div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">If you develop your edits as JPEG because you have several of them, how do you later continue developing one of them because you want to do something else from that point? If you modify the history to do a completely different edit, you lose the other. If you duplicate in DT your image, you cant see both files in DK. If you duplicate the whole raw file so you can see it in DK, you don't know which one is each because thumbnails are outdated and don't represent what the editor has done with the raw file. </div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">That's why I want a way to update thumbnails and previews with the current editing history...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">2017-01-08 2:20 GMT+01:00 HaJo Schatz <span class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:hajo@hajo.net" class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">hajo@hajo.net</a>></span>:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">Just saw this now and have been far far away from DK & DT for a long time, so sorry if I speak outdated:</div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">I tried to combine both for my workflow before, with limited success. What I wished for back then was a proper solution in DK for grouping. I wouldn't mind developing my edits into JPEGs (actually want to, since I may have multiple edits as someone said earlier). In the past DK didn't group them well, that's where I had issues. If grouping is working well now I think the preview topic is not really a serious shortcoming, no?</div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487HOEnZb m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487h5 m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 at 01:27, Juan Jose Casafranca <<a href="mailto:jjcasmar@gmail.com" class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">jjcasmar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">Could you look if there is anyway to ask darktable for an image through DBus? The image should be returned without been saved in disk. <div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">(As a char* for example). </div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">Right now I'm trying to understand how digikam asks for the thumbnails and for the preview images so I can ask for them when it's necessary. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">2017-01-07 18:20 GMT+01:00 Andrey Goreev <span class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:aegoreev@gmail.com" class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">aegoreev@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">I agree 100%. I am willing to help if needed </div><span class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m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er to propose changes and implement them if they know how to do it :-)</div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div>I'm already coding a kind of very stupid version of what I want, just to play around with it and see how things can be done. But I must say that it looks pretty simple. This first toy code is just calling darktable-cli, saving an image to disk and loading it as a thubnail. Its just to see how things could be done afterwards :-)<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">I also think the DBus option is the best one, although it's only Linux available so I will have a look at it</div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">2017-01-07 17:25 GMT+01:00 Andrey Goreev <span class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:aegoreev@gmail.com" class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">aegoreev@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">We definitely don't want digikam developers to do any extra work for that. They have their roadmap and want to stay on it. What we want from them is to tell us how could importing thumbnails from darktable to digikam be done with absolute minimal changes in the digikam code. Am I correct ?</div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">Also, if the Linux only solution (DBus) is the simplest solution I think we should stick to it. I am actually a windows user and there is no darktable version for Windows so I created a designated virtual machine (ubuntu studio) and do all DAM and photo / video processing there. The pictures folder can be accessed from both Windows and Linux so there is nothing that needs to be done twice. Any changes can be seen in any OS.</div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-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744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">2017-01-07 16:22 GMT+01:00 Gilles Caulier <span class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:caulier.gilles@gmail.com" class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">caulier.gilles@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468m_8472177046091787275m_7921979482391696376m_-8484426261789163637h5 m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">2017-01-07 15:41 GMT+01:00 Juan Jose Casafranca <span class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:jjcasmar@gmail.com" class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">jjcasmar@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468m_8472177046091787275m_7921979482391696376m_-8484426261789163637m_2970993905226860942gmail-HOEnZb m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468m_8472177046091787275m_7921979482391696376m_-8484426261789163637m_2970993905226860942gmail-h5 m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">On sábado, 7 de enero de 2017 15:25:43 (CET) Gilles Caulier wrote:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> 2017-01-07 15:22 GMT+01:00 Juan Jose Casafranca <<a href="mailto:jjcasmar@gmail.com" class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">jjcasmar@gmail.com</a>>:<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039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6744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > > space. In older DK version (3 for ex), we use FreeDesktop way with<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > PNG<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > > which explode storage for huge collection and take a while to store<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > > thumbnails files. Also FreeDesktop recommendations is only limited<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > > to<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > > 256x256, which is not enough for Hdpi screen (digiKam can store<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > 512x512<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > and<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > > perhaps more in the future with 8K screen).<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > Okay. But there is no need to change anything in DK for storing<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > thumbnails.<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > The only thing needed is to change the way thumbnails are generated<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > and<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > updated for raw files.<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > Simply, when DK finds a new raw file, instead of loading the embedded<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > jpg<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > file,<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > simply call the raw processor and generate the new file. And when the<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > thumbnail<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > > is dirty (as I explained before), regenerate the thumbnail.<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > But this is already the case. We use already a raw decoder named libraw<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > to<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > process RAW thumbnails. We will not using another one... Stop to puzzle<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > the<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > code<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > > Gilles Caulier<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> ><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> > So you are telling me that if we want to process a raw file and manage a<br class="m_-9039336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sg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">> Gilles Caulier<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div>I know that they are two different apps. I dont understand why GTK and Qt is<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">even a question here. I'm not saying to add DT as a depency for DK, just let<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">the user decide which raw processor uses.<br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></blockquote><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">But Raw processor from DT is not the same than DK as i know. Changing Raw processor in digiKam by DT one is as to add DT dependencies to DK.  No way here...</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg">I'm not asking to change the raw processor. Just asking to allow the user which raw processor wants to use. If the user selects to use DT, simply make him enter the DT executable which will be called when the raw file must be processed. No dependency needed.</div><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><span class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_6633240959668575468gmail_msg m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-9039336744010443313m_-1855980252713135072m_-2272074175169630487m_663324095966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