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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You're right about the behavior of camera within the light. But you're wrong for ohter items. </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Firtly, DK local contrast tool doesn't remain mid and hight tones, their local contrast is modified too, as far as I've experienced (but I admit that I've tried differents adjustments and I use 2 parallel lines of adjustments)</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Secondly, the page suggested by Gilles is interesting, but the expression "tone mapping" is an abuse. Tone mapping is strictly the process to transform an HDR picture in a LDR one. The doc linked by Gilles is about an emulation of the rendering of some tone mapping algorythms, but not a real tone mapping one. </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nevertheless, I really love the local contrast dK tool, which is a faboulus tool. Thank you Gilles ;-)</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Paulux<br /><br />Le samedi 17 mai 2014, 09:56:02 Paul Verizzo a écrit :<br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> <span style=" font-family:'Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif'; font-size:large;">Well, just as I start to think it's a matter of semantics, now I'm really confused. <br /> <br /> I agree that the human eye has no problem, let's say, seeing good detail in shadows. But the camera can't capture that dynamic range, so it shuts the shadows down in favor of mid and high tones. But the data is still there in the shadows, just like with slide film.<br /> <br /> So, yes, the dK Local Contrast tool does certainly look at the (lack of) shadow contrast and, um, locally, increases it in the low dynamic range areas, and leaves the mid and high tones alone. Not that dK needs to mimic Photoslop terminology, but they are the big boys out there, and Local Contrast means what we used to call in film developing characteristics, "Micro contrast." (A chemical Unsharp Mask using border effects!) Best as I can see, anyway. <br /> <br /> As to what you say, Paulux, "The tone mapping process......", I guess it's the old "If it walks like a duck....." thing. Even the page Giles suggested, which I had found earlier, </span><a href="http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/other/tonemapping/"><span style=" font-family:'Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif'; font-size:large; text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/other/tonemapping/</span></a><span style=" font-family:'Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif'; font-size:large;"> calls the function "Tone Mapping" and says that "Local Contrast" is a function within it.<br /> <br /> Regardless, I'm very glad it's there. As always, so grateful to the dK team!<br /> <br /> Paul <br /> <br /> <br /> </span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 5/17/2014 8:57 AM, Paulux wrote:<br /> </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:80px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">"Local contrast" is adjust and optimize contrast inside local zones of a picture in order to approach human eyes perception. That's exactly what the local contrast tool in DK does. </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:80px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The tone mapping process consists in matching repartition of colors from a 32 bits picture in a 8 bits one (for instance). That's totally different, even if some tone mapping algorythms have deep influence of local contrast. </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:80px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /> <br /> Le samedi 17 mai 2014, 08:30:20 Paul Verizzo a écrit :<br /> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:120px; margin-right:120px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It's Windows, Carl, and the processor is a P.O.S. dual core that was meant for a laptop, but it's in my desktop. My comment on speed was relative to the Canon program, and even the Windows Phone one. But it's fine, it is what it is, I'm just grateful for the discovery.<br /> <br /> On the topic, and further internet research, that the use of "Local Contrast" in dK might be a bit of a misnomer. As mentioned, in PS, the plug-in does work with local contrast, not overall tones. In fact, I'm seeing "Tone mapping" being used for what dK calls "Local Contrast." Seems to be more accurate, grammatically.<br /> <br /> Paul Verizzo <br /> <br /> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:120px; margin-right:120px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 5/17/2014 8:22 AM, Carl McGrath wrote:<br /> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:80px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Paul<br /> I scanned quickly for what OS you are running but did not find it; I run openSUSE 13.1<br /> dK 4.0.0 arrived a few days ago, with all the fixes Gilles reported that enable multicore.<br /> <br /> Local Contrast and Sharpness tools now blazing fast(by comparison)<br /> <br /> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:160px; margin-right:160px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 05/17/2014 07:58 AM, Paul Verizzo wrote:<br /> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:80px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Wow, that's it! <br /> <br /> I finally had time to locate some of the lousy original photos I had successfully improved with a couple of other programs, including, oddly, that Nokia (Windows Phone) Fix. <br /> <br /> Putzed with dK Local Contrast, works beautifully. Just what I was after. <br /> <br /> I tried to find information and help in the dK PDF, but could not. Searching online, "local contrast" brings up a lot of Photoslop entries, but they necessitate using layers and unsharp mask. So much for the expensive program. If I add "digikam" to the search, I just keep getting repeats from a blog posting.<br /> <br /> I'd like to learn how to manually control adjustments for best results.<br /> <br /> Any further help to be found?<br /> <br /> Oh, yes. Kind of slow, but if I factor in the need to open another program, rename, shuffle files, Local Contrast is another dK winner!<br /> <br /> Thanks, Giles (and all others!)<br /> <br /> Paul <br /> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:200px; margin-right:200px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 5/10/2014 12:11 PM, Gilles Caulier wrote:<br /> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:240px; margin-right:240px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">digiKam has LocalContrast tool which make the same correction to</span> </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:240px; margin-right:240px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Gilles Caulier</span> </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:240px; margin-right:240px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">2014-05-10 18:07 GMT+02:00 Paul Verizzo </span><a href="mailto:paulv@paulv.net"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier'; text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;"><paulv@paulv.net></span></a><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">: </span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Background: I've been in digital photography since 2000, decades of film</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">before and since. I'm certainly familiar with the use of curves to correct</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">bad photos. But so tedious, and if the photos are snapshots, hard to</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">justify the time. It appears to me, although I can't prove it, that digital</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">cameras, discrete or within phones, seem to be doing a much better job</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">automatically adjusting curves than my old Minolta A2, for instance.</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">I recently became aware of a new free Canon program, My Image Garden, that</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">has a much improved Auto-fix than its forerunner. As an example, a backlit</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">photo processed in MIG will bring up only the shadows while leaving the</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">normal and highlights alone. It allegedly uses a zone by zone analysis. It</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">is a terrible program in every other regard, clunky interface, bloated, etc.</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">But I used it for some recent pics to advantage.</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Some of those pictures were originally on my Windows Phone 8, which I had</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">copied to the HD. Before I deleted them from the phone, I poked around with</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">the options at that point. I found an auto-fix, pushed the "button," and my</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">jaw dropped. Literally. A very dark, underexposed shot made perfect! This</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">feature is within the Nokia programs! It is so good, I can see myself</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">transferring photos from other sources into the phone for correction! And</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">it's fast, even so.</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">I went back through the digiKam manual and looked on screen, and I see the</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">old standbys there, but nothing like what I've experienced with the above.</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Oh, upon lots of research, I found a 2007 $40 program called Photoright that</span> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">upon test, seems to be doing similar zone adjustments.</span> </p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:280px; margin-right:280px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'Courier New,courier';">Bottom lines: Are my observations valid? Do you think DK might get</span> </p>
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