IMO "Advanced Tracking Features" is a more accurate name.<br><br>Peter<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/21/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jeff Mitchell</b> <<a href="mailto:kde-dev@emailgoeshere.com">
kde-dev@emailgoeshere.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Here's an absolutely hilarious email from some guy who is in love with Quod
<br>Libet and who clearly has no clue what ATF actually does. I put some<br>responses below since he indirectly makes some good points, although I don't<br>think I'll waste my time forwarding them to him and having to deal with
<br>moronic responses. I love his footnotes.<br><br>---------- Forwarded Message ----------<br><br>Subject: ATF: Stop spreading FUD about other media players<br>Date: Thursday 20 July 2006 21:26<br>From: Joe Wreschnig <
<a href="mailto:piman@sacredchao.net">piman@sacredchao.net</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:kde-dev@emailgoeshere.com">kde-dev@emailgoeshere.com</a><br>Cc: Quod Libet list <<a href="mailto:quodlibet@lists.sacredchao.net">
quodlibet@lists.sacredchao.net</a>><br><br>I read<br><a href="http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/Advanced_Tag_Features_(ATF)">http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/Advanced_Tag_Features_(ATF)</a> a<br>few weeks ago when it came up on the TagLib list and didn't really think
<br>much of it, since there's no useful information there.<br><br>I read it again today, and it says<br><br> Great! Which media players have this type of functionality?<br> Amarok.<br><br><br> ...which ones don't?<br>
iTunes, Winamp, XMMS, Banshee, Rhythmbox, JuK, Winamp, Foobar,<br> MusicMatch, Quod Libet, LSongs..."<br><br>Now, please improve Amarok if you like it. I have no problem with that;<br>improved software benefits everyone.
<br><br>However,<br><br>1) Quod Libet has been saving ratings and play counts - the library data<br>people care about - in Ogg, FLAC, and MP3 files since September 2005.[0]<br>We've also done it in a cross-library fashion, storing the data in the
<br>files themselves, either using the metadata designed for it (POPM in<br>MP3) or custom, documented, easily-parsable values.[1] So, frankly,<br>you're lying, and went out of your way specifically to lie about QL.[2]<br>
<br>2) For all your hype and excitement, it would be really nice if you<br>could document how to access that functionality, so other players<br>*could* support it. Right now it's somewhere between "vague" and<br>
"worthless".<br><br>3) Your proposal, while it might be useful, has nothing to do with<br>tagging. Amarok still lacks advanced tagging features, especially<br>compared to Quod Libet, but even compared to most other tag editors.
<br>Maybe "tracking" would be a better word.<br><br>[0]<br> <a href="http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/browser/trunk/quodlibet/formats/_vorbis">http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/browser/trunk/quodlibet/formats/_vorbis
</a>.<br>py?rev=1774 [1] <a href="http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki/Specs/VorbisComments">http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki/Specs/VorbisComments</a><br>[2]<br> <a href="http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php?title=Advanced_Tag_Features_%28AT">
http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php?title=Advanced_Tag_Features_%28AT</a><br>F%29&diff=9411&oldid=9372 --<br>Joe Wreschnig <<a href="mailto:piman@sacredchao.net">piman@sacredchao.net</a>><br><br>-------------------------------------------------------
<br><br>However, a quick reply to his points as they affect Amarok:<br><br>1) Seems QL saves statistics/rating information in the files themselves. Maybe<br>that's a good idea for us? It would stop any "ah, crap, someone made a
<br>mistake and now I just lost all my stats!" problems. Unfortunately for him,<br>since ATF has solely to do with using UIDs and functionality that comes from<br>them, I'm a) not lying and b) didn't specifically target QL, since I listed
<br>pretty much every player. He's just a defensive prick.<br><br>2) Seems like he has never looked at the ID3v2 specification. Oh well. I<br>guess this is too hard (from the ATF Wiki page):<br><br>Many of the most common digital audio formats, such as MP3...have a metadata
<br>field that can be used to store a unique identifier (UID). In fact, ID3v2 has<br>an explicit field precisely for this functionality...<br><br>3) It's called "Advanced Tag Features" not "Advanced Tagging Features." It
<br>never purports to have anything to do with tagging, only to use the tag to do<br>advanced things. Amarok already has decent tagging features to begin with,<br>such as tagging multiple files and the like. However, "Advanced Tracking
<br>Features" is a pretty good name too. Anyone have a preference for that name?<br><br>--Jeff<br>_______________________________________________<br>Amarok mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Amarok@kde.org">Amarok@kde.org
</a><br><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room" - The President (Dr. Strangelove)