<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I went over it again and tested a bit around and I am even less<br>
convinced about the real usability of your addition today.</blockquote><div><br>Which is fair, I am still trying to make up my own mind as well! :-) <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
1. It adds unnecessary complexion to the existing Amarok. Especially<br>
with the "symmetry" you added, we find ourselves with arrows that do<br>
precisely nothing on the left and which are not intuitive on the right<br>
neither.</blockquote><div><br>Yes. That was the very last thing I added. Again just to try stuff out.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
2. It is just plain ugly, sorry to be that blunt, but those green<br>
arrows have always been ugly, wherever they were.</blockquote><div><br>Sorry, but I am not even going to argue against this. The green arrows was just the only icons I could find at the time ( had no Internet access when I created this stuff ) that sort of illustrated the point. I have no special love of these and would happily replace them with something else, perhaps something similar to the "more" icon used in the bracrumb... <br>
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3. Adding those arrows everywhere for the sake of symmetry means also<br>
we will have to add a function to all the existing arrows, and this<br>
adds again more unnecessary complexity and we will have to invent new<br>
items to add, just because there are folding arrows? Come on, this<br>
makes absolutely no sense.</blockquote><div><br>No, the idea was that an arrow could be disabled (but still visible) when there was no items. But when browsing through the categories this would allow items to be there or not without changing the layout and hence the symmetry. At least that was the though I wanted to try out. <br>
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I strongly vote against these folding arrows and suggest to remove<br>
those everywhere, including the context view. I am sure we can find an<br>
alternative way to add applets</blockquote><div><br>In the context view? Oh, the scrolling list has them... I am not taking responsibility for those! :-P <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I am quite disappointed, Amarok started to look nice and now it begins<br>
to suck again, complexity everywhere just because we listen to every<br>
fart the users come up with, and no, I am not sorry about the wording.<br>
Already the playlist options are too many, and the realisation doesn't<br>
fit in the general aspect, as we have now non less than 5 different<br>
menus, dropdown selectors, option choosers and tool boxes for the<br>
playlist alone!<br>
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Sorry, I think you are on a wrong path here, please, make it easier,<br>
not more complex. I think we need an extensive discussion about the<br>
playlist in Gran Canaria before you even add more stuff, consensus<br>
first!<br>
</blockquote></div><br>Ok, now we are getting to the meat of the issue.<br><br>We are currently miles away from any kind of a release and this is exactly the time to try out new stuff. I have no issue discussing and even removing any of this stuff is that is the consensus, but I don't want to do this discussions in a vacuum, without having an actual prototype to play with, hence I committed it. I hate trying to figure out what will work and what will not as a pure though experiment, hence I always prototype stuff and accept the bruises if people tell me that it's pure crap. (contrary to legend, I am not always right... :-)<br>
<br>In the course of developing 2.0.0 we tried out a lot of stuff that never made it into the final 2.0.0, but we learned a lot about what worked and what did not in the process. This is the only sane way to do development of something as complex as amarok in my oppinion. Come feature freeze we should have decided what works and what does not and the experimentation should be over. As you yourself say, your oppinion changes as you play with it, something that would not happen if we just discussed it as a theoretical change on a blackboard.<br>
<br>As for the playlist complexity, yes, I agree and that was exactly the issue I was _trying_ to adress as the many icons at the bottom to my eye is the most ditracting part of it currently.<br><br>In any case, I think you are mistaking my intentions. I am not saying that these popup widgets is somwthing I want, I am just proposing them as a possible solution to the issue and if they dont work, then fine, if we can use them to start a discussion to come up with a better idea, then even better! :-)<br>
<br>- Nikolaj<br>