<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On 16 Feb 2009, at 06:37, Dan Meltzer wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Mark Kretschmann <<a href="mailto:kretschmann@kde.org">kretschmann@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Dan Meltzer<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:parallelgrapefruit@gmail.com">parallelgrapefruit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Mark Kretschmann <<a href="mailto:kretschmann@kde.org">kretschmann@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Mark Kretschmann <<a href="mailto:kretschmann@kde.org">kretschmann@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Lydia Pintscher <<a href="mailto:lydia@kde.org">lydia@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Heya :)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What do you think about a feature freeze in 3 weeks? If this causes<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">problems for anyone please speak up now.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm all for it! Except that I would even prefer 2 weeks. That's<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">because our feature list is already impressive, but our bugs list is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">daunting, and our regressions are painful. So I think 2 weeks make a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">good compromise.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PS:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We've never been too anal about the freeze. If someone wants to add a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">button here or a mini addition there, we can still talk about it after<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the freeze, IMHO. That makes the "freeze" a lot less scary than it<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">could be, I find.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So, can we get a decision on this? If not, I would simply say "Let's<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">start to go into feature freeze mode now, without being too anal about<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">it in the beginning." This would translate directly to: Focus more on<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">bugs, less on features.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm fine with 2 or 3 weeks. The only thing that I know of thats still<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">floating around that might be drop worthy (that we talked about on irc<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">today..) is the acoustic fingerprinting stuff. If we don't hear back<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">from Soren by next weekend I'd say we could freeze then, if we do hear<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">back I'd like a week or so to see about getting it merged...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">TBH, (as I told you already on IRC), I think one has to draw a line<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">somewhere, and I do not think that the fingerprinting patch should go<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">into 2.1, but rather into 2.2. Several reasons:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1) Enough features for 2.1. Adding another one means even more bugs to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">fix / watch over.<br></blockquote><br>This contradicts the idea of a feature freeze in 2-3 weeks.</div></blockquote><br></div><div>I agree with a feature freeze in 2-3 weeks. I don't agree with one right now. I think we should at least plan for a feature freeze instead of just dropping it on the code base---to give people time to add the features they want before the freeze begins. And I know, you say it's not a "super hard freeze", but nevertheless, it's a mindset, and once we're in a freeze we're in a freeze.</div><div><br></div><div>leo</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>---</div><div>Leo Franchi<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>(650) 704 3680</div><div>Tufts University 2010 </div><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:lfranchi@kde.org">lfranchi@kde.org</a></div><div><a href="mailto:leonardo.franchi@tufts.edu">leonardo.franchi@tufts.edu</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span> </div><br></body></html>